A frame from the "tent examination" footage. Note that the attendants did not bother to wear masks while examining this purported alien corpse. "Alien Autopsy" Tent Footage: Made in the U.K.? New Witness Claims Santilli's Film Made in British Studio by Paul B. Thompson Nebula Editor pscppol@aol.com Things have been quiet on the alien autopsy film front lately -- not much news has developed since the alleged "cameraman" interviewed surfaced a while back. Just last week, however, British UFOlogist Philip Mantle circulated the following message to interested parties. I have edited this text to omit the redundancies of spoken language which Mantle included in his original transcript. Additional comments by me are in [brackets] and italics. Santilli's Tent Footage Thrown Into Doubt by Philip Mantle el51@dial.pipex.com June 17, 1998 On 30 March, l998, I received an e-mail message simply titled 'Blowing The Whistle -- Roswell, from someone named K---- G------. The message simply read " OK, I know something about the Santilli footage, I can identify without a shadow... Call me. K---- G------. I took me a while before I reached KG on the phone and he went on to tell me an intriguing, but so far unconfirmed story. I again interviewed KG on 11.6.98 this time tape recording the conversation. The following is an interview I conducted with KG. Nothing has been deleted or added and the interview is complete. [See my note, above -- Paul Thompson] The Interview PM: This is 11.6.98, Philip Mantle (PM) and K---- G------ (KG) KG: Yep. PM: Philip Mantle and K---- G------. KG: Absolutely. PM: Have you any objections to me tape recording this conversation, Keith? [So much for the "K" part.] KG: I don't Philip, at all. PM: Do you mind if I publish it at all? KG: I don't mind if you publish it. PM: Right, OK. Well, it was on 30 March, l998, you originally e-mailed me K----. KG: Certainly, yes it was. PM: And you claimed at that time you had some information on the Roswell film. KG: I certainly did. PM: First and foremost can you give us a bit of information on your background, and then I'll ask you another question. KG: OK, my background is primarily, well certainly for the last, up until about 5 years ago, was as a video games programmer. I then came to work for a company in Milton Keynes, which is where I now live, about 5 years ago, as a video games programmer. They were actually a hardware designing company. I sort of worked my way up through the eons of that company and until I was eventually part of the management team, and it was during the period of working there, with a business contact that I first met the people that we are gonna talk about. PM: OK. Now like I said, in your first e-mail you asked me to give you a call, which I did, at that time you told me you had some information about the Santilli film. Could you tell us what that information is, please K----? KG: OK. Basically, I had an association, I had a colleague that had an audio/visual company, making, at the time they we making a lot of Karaoke videos for third party publishers, and soundtracks for children's' films and that sort of thing. I actually first came across this company in the capacity as a games programmer, and in fact contracted them to provide music for some video games that I was working on. I'm just trying to think of the story events. I'd known, I got to know them pretty well, I spent a lot of time working in their studios with them while we were playing around with different ideas for theme tunes for games and sound effects and so forth. So I would say, most of the staff I was very well acquainted with and had a very good relationship with the owners of the company. About a year and a half ago I went to actually visit this company. I hadn't seen them for a while, it was just a social visit, just pop-in to see how everybody was, and while I was there the phone rang, and the secretary put the phone call to the colleague I was with, the owner of the company, who had a phone conversation with Ray Santilli. When the phone conversation had finished, I said to my colleague 'the Ray Santilli?' He said, well, what do you mean 'the Ray Santilli?' I said, the guy with the Roswell film. With that my colleague actually fell about almost in hysterics, I mean he would have fallen of his chair I think, given a chance, and he said didn't you realise we made that? [Notice the man doesn't say, 'we made the tent footage.' He says, 'we made that.'] And I said well, hang on, no, no, no. He said, no, we made that, didn't you recognise Elliot? And I said well, no, quite frankly I didn't recognise anybody. Then he said, well, you know, we made that, was Elliot. Amblings [the owner's name?] went on, carried on, and eventually he took me into the studio and showed me a video tape I didn't recognise as being the Roswell footage. He showed me some film; quite clearly I could see that the main character in this footage was Elliot, who was one of the sound engineers there, but it wasn't what I recognised as the Roswell footage. I wasn't at that time particularly impressed. I just thought, well maybe he thought he'd made something, but that certainly wasn't the Santilli footage. He gave me a copy of the video cassette that they'd made but for some reason had never published, and I went off quite happy. One night I sat here, whenever it was I first contacted you, Phil. PM: It was March the 30th. [1998] KG: March the 30th. PM: Yes. KG: I was sat in, sat in my office at home, surfing the Internet, and I had no real contrived or planned reason, just typed Roswell into Yahoo! to do a search, just to see, you know, see what the latest is, what people are currently thinking about the Roswell film. And I found a page, that was a web page, where they were doing analysis of the tent footage. Now I'd never realised that there were, I'd never followed the story close enough to know that the different segments of footage and different pieces of this so-called Roswell film, and they had sort of a web page analysis of the Roswell footage on there, of the tent sequence, and I clearly identified that tent sequence with the video that I'd seen. Well, within about 10 minutes I was downstairs searching through my video library trying to find this video cassette that I'd been given, and basically matched up frame for frame with the copy that I had which clearly showed Elliot the sound engineer with the pages on the Internet, and sure enough, the tent footage was the same footage that claimed to be made by my colleagues, and [it] was indisputable that was Elliot. I watched the film through and through again and without a shadow of a doubt it was definitely Elliot, and it definitely matched up with the pages on the Internet reporting to be the tent footage. PM: Yes. KG: At which point, I thought I should inform somebody about this, and just found a few key figures, that were, involved in investigating Roswell from a UK end, and sent you e-mail. PM: OK, is the name of this company -- -----. KG: -- -----. PM: Or is it --- -----? KG: No, --. PM: -- -----. KG: --, -- actually stood for A--- [Amblings?] and K---- which we the names of the two owners. PM: Right. KG: They ceased trading earlier this year. PM: And is one of those owners a chap by the name of K---- B------. KG: K---- B------, yes, that's it... B------. PM: OK, how did you know about the Roswell film itself and make the connection with Santilli? KG: Only from the original [British TV] Channel 4 and the Fox televisions films, ["Alien Autopsy--Fact or Fiction?"] both of which I saw. I used to travel a lot in America, and I saw the Fox one. I also saw the Channel 4 one, and just loosely followed it but hadn't paid any keen interest. I'm not what one would call a ufologist or any such thing. So it wasn't with over keen interest, but you know, it was something that just sits there, and you check now and again and see what's going on, but obviously in those programmes they interviewed Santilli and, you know, it was just one of those names that when I heard it crop up, when I was at -- -----, it was just one of those things that rung little alarm bells: hang on, Ray Santilli's a name I know. PM: Did your colleagues at -- ----- at the time when you we in their office and Santilli phoned, did they give you any other information about their dealings with Santilli, and selling the film to him or something of that nature? KG: I believe the film was made for, was made, basically for another company. They we making a video called, something to do with the web, "Beyond the Web?" PM: "Penetrating the Web?" KG: "Penetrating the Web." It was part two or something, and they we actually putting this video together for them. Now this is how I understood it, they had shown the footage that they made to Ray Santilli to which point Ray Santilli tried to buy it, acquire it, whatever. The upshot of it was, "Penetrating The Web" was never released in the UK, at the time it was made, and in fact the copy I had pre-dated all of this by a year or so. Ray Santilli had then used this as part of his Roswell collection and sums of money passed hands to make sure that it wasn't actually published as "Penetrating The Web" at it's original scheduled release date. PM: Right, well "Penetrating The Web" was released, are you aware of that? KG: I had no idea it was released over here, I knew it had been released in Italy. PM: It's been released in the UK because we have a copy. KG: Right, OK. PM: The gentleman who made that... KG: B---- B------. PM: B---- B------, do you know B----? KG: No ideas at all, I wouldn't know him from Adam. PM: He told us at the time that he'd bought it from a third party, but he wouldn't say who. So you're saying that -- ----- made it especially for B---- B-------'s company. KG: However it happened, but I believe that it was originally made for B---- B------. I wouldn't confirm that, but that's as I believe it. PM: OK, very interesting. Any information you'd like to add? KG: I can't think of anything else I'd would like to add, I can't think of anything else at all, really. PM: Do you still have a copy of the video that was given to you? KG: No, I don't, unfortunately. I'm trying to get it back, it was give to Bob Kravitz, Bob--? PM: Kiviat? [Bob Kiviat produced the alien autopsy special for Fox TV.] KG: Kiviat, yes, he actually has my copy at the moment. Basically he had a first generation copy and could try and lift a clear picture. I say a first generation--an original copy, and he can try and lift some decent footage clearly showing Elliot. PM: Yes. Just for the record, are you aware of how Bob Kiviat got in touch with you? KG: Via yourself, I believe. PM: That's correct, yes. KG: Yes, yes. PM: It's for Kiviat's programme later in the year. [Kiviat's doing another TV special? Perhaps an expose of the autopsy film?] KG: Yes. PM: So, once again you understand that this conversation has been recorded. KG: Yes. PM: And you have no objection to it being published either in written form, or on the Internet, or whatever? KG: No, not particularly, Phil. PM: Is there any of the details that you've told me that you wish not to be made public, i.e.: the name of the company? KG: No, I have no problem with that at all. PM: Well, thank you very much. KG: That's all right, Phil. PM: Don't go off, I'll just turn the machine off. [Interview Ends] I have so far purposely withheld all of the names of the individuals allegedly involved and the company also. Efforts are being made to contact those allegedly involved and colleagues and I have already obtained information on the company allegedly involved. If any further information is gleaned from our continuing investigations into these allegations, it will be posted on the Internet. If anyone would like to assist us with these investigations please do not hesitate to contact me at: Philip Mantle 1 Woodhall Drive, Batley, West Yorkshire, WF17 7SW Tele: 01924444049 E-mail: el51@dial.pipex.com [The next day Mantle posted this reply from Ray Santilli. It has not been edited in any way from the posted version.] The Tent Footage Philip Mantel [sic] has informed me that he has secured an interview from someone claiming to have information regarding the "Tent Footage". As a great deal has been made of the so called "Tent Footage" I would like to clarify the situation and place the following on record: The Tent Footage was the first film material I collected from the cameraman, it was in the form of 16mm film and in very poor condition. I brought it back to England and asked a studio facility in Buckinghamshire to retrieve whatever image they could from it. A few weeks after delivery the Studio presented me with the film which has become known as the ""Tent Footage" I was told that this was all that could be retrieved from the film. I had informed the cameraman by telephone that we were able to retrieve some image and indeed showed the film to Philip Mantel and other interested parties. I returned to the States later to collect the main film and showed the "Tent Footage" on VHS to the cameraman. At this point he stated that he DID NOT remember either the image being portrayed or the style in which it had been filmed. I was concerned but collected the remaining film (which was in far better condition) and returned to the United Kingdom. [How convenient, Ray! Has this ever been mentioned before?] Upon my return I contacted the studio to find out more about the images from the "Tent Footage". I got the impression that as a joke the film had been interfered with, but nobody was owning up. This meant that with regard to the "Tent Footage" I was uncertain as to what was real and what was not, and if the film had been interfered with, I could not use it. THIS IS WHY I COMPLETLY PULLED BACK FROM USING THE FILM. [A review of correspondence going back three years does not reveal any concern from Santilli on the authenticity of the tent footage -- only that it was dark and hard to see. I would like to see authenticated, dated, messages to the contrary -- if they exist.] As a result I INFORMED ALL PARTIES that had come into contact with the Tent Footage (and I am sure they will confirm this) that I was NOT CONFIDENT with regard to the Tent Footage and further that it should NOT be used in conjunction with the autopsy film, this instruction went to all broadcasts including Fox (Kiviat). Indeed when Kiviat wanted to use the Tent Footage for a subsequent program I was totally against it. However he still wished to use it and to that end he provided me with a written disclaim dated NOVEMBER 1995 which was to be used during the broadcast. In the end I won the point and the film was not used. The situation regarding the Tent Footage was known to all, it was not appropriate to use as it may have been interfered with. It was the only thing I could do, as I did not want it to compromise the main autopsy film. I believe I did the responsible thing in removing the "Tent Footage" from circulation at the very beginning. My position regarding the Autopsy film and the reels recovered remains unchanged. Any discussion regarding the Tent Footage is completely irrelevant. I DID NOT USE THAT STUDIO AGAIN, AND NEITHER THE STUDIO OR ANYONE ASSOCIATED WITH THE STUDIO HAD ANYTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH THE AUTOPSY FILM. THE AUTOPSY FILM IS WHAT IT IS, AND NOTHING WILL CHANGE THAT. [Yes, it's a fake, Ray, and nothing will change that, for sure!] --Ray Santilli I made a few inquiries and discovered the name of Philip Mantle's informant, and the British studio in question: Keith Green, and A & K Studios of Milton Keynes. But I have to wonder, does anyone still care? The so-called alien autopsy film came and went, and whatever meager credibility it had has long since been lost in a deluge of claims, counter-claims, lies, and distortions. Anyone interested in the "tent footage" issue can visit the Truthseekers web page at: http://alpha.mic.dundee.ac.uk/ft/crop_circles/truthseekers/truthmain.html for more details. As for myself, I consider the alien autopsy film a dead letter. Let's heave it on the garbage heap of history, along with the Hitler Diaries, the Howard Hughes biography, and the Good Times virus. Good riddance to bad rubbish, as the saying goes. Abra Cadaver! The "Alien Autopsy" Affair "Alien Autopsy" Cameraman Speaks... 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